Posted by Richard Smit on May 09, 2012 at 10:12:45:
In Reply to: Re: Really well written article posted by Elijah on May 08, 2012 at 13:33:54:
I REST MY CASE and consider my POINT PROVEN. Thanks, but no thanks.
What you dish up is definitely NOT for me. Only time will tell & prove to you, who actually is wilfully disobedient and ignorant of the truth? Personally I give you “zip, “zero” or “nil” certification, choose the one you want, for everything you have posted on this website.
But, please don’t be so upset that you FAILED so miserably, in your attempt to deceive Christians on this website.
Also, I’m NOT surprised that you have already come BEGGING for a donation, albeit for a friend, and now appear to be looking for employment for yourself or others. People like you are so easy to predict and see through.
You had an opportunity and platform to state and motivate your case, but you messed up big time, because you prefer to offend and insult those who disagree with you. This is only a forum.
I wonder on how many websites you do this. It’s a joke really. But you’ll be stopped in “time”.
You are NOT a prophet of any sort and your false teachings and corrupt Christianity mean nothing. This is only exceeded by your misdirected ability to take another person’s words and twist them out of context, to mean something else. No-one is fooled.
One’s morality, one’s behaviour and the keeping of the Ten Commandants are extremely & very important at all times. Trying to live a totally sin free life like Jesus Christ is the Christian gaol.
Unfortunately all human beings fail at this. You, and your friends included. Don’t be mistaken.
WITHOUT Jesus Christ’s (son of man, Son of God, God the Son, Third person within the One Essence in the One Godhead and the Trinity) sacrificial DEATH for our sins on the Cross we are all dead.
Once again, you and your friends included. Do not be mistaken.
Did Jesus Christ die ? Yes. Was Jesus Christ resurrected? Yes.
YOU DENY THIS for yourself (a FATAL error) as proven in your posts on this website.
And now you have been attempting to DISTRACT and MISLEAD Christians on this website into believing what you dish up.
We seek only the truth, not the distortions which are clearly exposed in your posts.
I’ll harass and continuously refute every single one of your posts, until THE RETURN OF CHRIST if necessary.
I’m going to be sending all your posts to a very professional Apologetics Institution for further detailed analysis. But don’t expect an answer soon, as these people really do in depth thorough work.
Like I said ALL shall be revealed in “time”. Nothing shall be hidden. Your insults on my person mean nothing compared to what has been promised to true Christians by Jesus Christ Himself.
You are nothing compared to HIM.
“The forum trouble seeker”, you, should focus his energy on studying similar articles like the two below and learn something ETERNALLY MEANINGFUL, rather than spend his time trying to mislead, distract, insult and create as much havoc (no order) and confrontational conflict as possible.
The above are the issues you have.
Don’t worry about mine; Jesus and I have already taken care of them.
Whether you believe it or not, really is of NO IMPORTANCE nor RELEVANCE.
I’m not angry or mad at you - I’m long past that immature stage of my physical and spiritual journey through life. I’m just amazed and I must admit, rather disappointed, at your LACK OF VISION, LACK OF DISCERNMENT, LACK OF SOCIAL MOTIVATIONAL SKILLS and LACK OF RESPECTFUL COMMUNICATION SKILLS, for a person of your obvious “human abilities”.
My attitude towards you and your communications is absolutely “stone cold”. You have only yourself to blame. Why don’t you, just for once, take the following quote from the Bible, put your SELF GRATIFICATION and PRIDE one side (deal with it later if you want), and analyse and investigate, to the 10th degree if necessary and if you want to, THE TRUE MEANING of EACH and EVERY word in detail, for YOUR OWN benefit – nobody else’s. Without any pre-conceived bias, even if you have read these verses many times before.
And then DO NOT pass a comment on your OWN findings and conclusions. Ever.
“Keep them” in YOUR OWN heart. Do you think you’ll be able to do this - for your own self?
What Jesus Christ says to the Christian Churches, in His Revelation that God gave Him:
Revelation 3: 7- 13 (21st Century - KJV)
7 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: `These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth and no man shutteth, and shutteth and no man openeth:
8 I know thy works. Behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it. For thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My Word, and hast not denied My name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie -- behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly; hold fast that which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more; and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from My God, and I will write upon him My new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches!”
In the meantime “we” continue to study and investigate in “minute” detail, the two articles (and many others) below:
ARTICLE ONE:
The Quran and the Trinity
by Dave Miller, Ph.D.
When reading the Quran, one is surprised time and time again with the fact that the Allah of the Quran conducts himself quite differently from the God of the Bible.
Of course, “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for “God,” like its equivalent Old Testament Hebrew term elohim—a general term for deity that was used by the Jews to refer both to the one true God, as well as to the false deities of their pagan neighbors (e.g., Genesis 35:2; Deuteronomy 29:18; Daniel 3:25). So the term “God” in whatever language (English, Arabic, or Hebrew) is a generic term to refer to deity.
Muslims claim that the Allah they worship is the same God that Abraham and the Jews worshipped.
Nevertheless, it is possible for one to pay lip service to following the God of the Bible, and yet so recast Him that He ceases to be the same Being about which one reads on the pages of the Bible. The meaning and identity that each culture or religion attaches to the word may differ radically.
Many current Christian authors do this very thing when they claim to be writing about the Jesus of the New Testament. They misrepresent Jesus, recasting and refashioning the Jesus of the Bible into essentially a different Being than the One depicted on the pages of the New Testament—one who is unconcerned about obedience, and whose grace forgives just about everybody unconditionally (e.g., Lucado, 1996). But that is not the Jesus of the New Testament. They have so misrepresented the person, nature, and conduct of Jesus that for all practical purposes, their writings depict a different Jesus.
In like fashion, the Quran has Allah saying and doing things that the God of the Bible simply would not say or do. Actions and attitudes are attributed to Allah that stand in stark contradistinction to the character of the God of the Bible.
Though Allah is claimed by Muslims to be the same God as the God of the Old Testament, the Quran’s depiction of deity is nevertheless sufficiently redefined as to make Allah distinct from the God of the Bible. This stark contrast is particularly evident in the biblical doctrine of the Trinity.
The Bible depicts deity as singular, i.e., there is one and only one divine essence or Being (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 45:5; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Timothy 2:5; James 2:19).
However, the Bible also clearly depicts God as a triune Being—three distinct persons within the one essence—with a triune nature. For example, during the Creation week, God stated: “Let us...” (Genesis 1:26, emp. added). Both the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:2) and Christ (John 1:1-3) were present and active at the Creation with God the Father.
The New Testament alludes to the “Godhead” (Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9).
At the baptism of Jesus while He was in human form, the Father spoke audibly from heaven, and the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus (Matthew 3:16-17).
All three are sometimes noted together (Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
Each person of the Godhead is fully God, fully deity, fully divine. Jesus is repeatedly referred to as God (Matthew 1:22-23; John 1:1-3,14; 8:58; 20:28; Micah 5:2). The Holy Spirit is also divine (John 14:26; 15:26; Romans 15:19; 1 Corinthians 2:10-11; Ephesians 4:4; Hebrews 9:14).
In contrast to the biblical portrait, the Quran goes out of its way to denounce the notion of Trinity:
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth.
The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three”—Cease! (it is) better for you!—Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His transcendant majesty that he should have a son.
His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender. The Messiah will never scorn to be a slave unto Allah, nor will the favoured angels. Whoso scorneth His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him (Surah 4:171-172, emp. added).
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden Paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil doers there will be no helpers.
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve. Will they not rather turn unto Allah and seek forgiveness of Him? For Allah is Forgiving, Merciful (Surah 5:72-74, emp. added).
The Christian is surely startled to read such forthright denunciations on those who believe in the Godhead as depicted in the Bible.
The Quran declares in unmistakable terms that those who do believe in the Trinity will be excluded from paradise, and will experience a “painful doom” by burning in the fire of hell.
Regarding the third person of the Godhead, Muslims insist that the Quran knows nothing of the Holy Spirit—all seeming references simply being, in the words of Muslim scholar Mohammed Pickthall, “a term for the angel of Revelation, Gabriel (on whom be peace)” (Pickthall, p. 40).
Thus the Quran denies the person of the Holy Spirit, acknowledges the existence of Jesus while denying His divinity, and insists that the person of Allah is singular in nature.
The Quran and the Bible are in dire contradiction with each other on the doctrine of the Trinity.
REFERENCES
Lucado, Max (1996), In the Grip of Grace (Dallas, TX: Word).
Pickthall, Mohammed M. (n.d.), The Meaning of the Glorious Koran (New York: Mentor).
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ARTICLE TWO:
You Have Only One Shot
by Dave Miller, Ph.D.
The present pluralistic climate that prevails in American culture has disastrous implications.
To suggest that all religions, all ideologies, all philosophies, and all beliefs are of equal validity, and ought to be tolerated as such, is to generate social anarchy and the destabilization of society that can end only in national suicide.
Unless a single value system remains substantially intact in any given civilization, that society will lack the necessary “glue” to hold together. But even more tragic are the eternal implications for those who reject the truth regarding the only moral and spiritual reality, i.e., the Christian system.
For example, take the notion of reincarnation, a belief that permeates Hinduism, Buddhism, and New Age philosophy, and thus characterizes the thinking of upwards of two billion people (for brief discussions of reincarnation, see Valea, 2006; “Recarnation,” 2007).
Here is a sinister doctrine that robs those masses of their one and only opportunity to prepare for afterlife.
Reincarnation is the idea that at death, all human souls (according to some, animals as well) simply “recycle” into another body on Earth, and that this rebirth process is repeated over and over again until the individual eventually reaches the ultimate spiritual condition—nirvana and enlightenment.
Such a viewpoint inevitably must bring a sense of false comfort to the individual who embraces it. He or she naturally is not overly concerned with moral behavior and life choices. After all, multiple opportunities to live life over again are forthcoming. Herein lays the tragedy.
The fact of the matter is that a human being has but “one shot” at life (Miller, 2003). Every person lives but one life on Earth and then must face death and Judgment (Hebrews 9:27).
At death, a person’s spirit enters the Hadean realm to await the final Judgment and is unable to return to Earth (read Luke 16:19-31; cf. Miller, 2005).
Consequently, it is absolutely imperative for every human being to examine God’s Word (the Bible) to ascertain how life is to be lived in view of eternity (cf. Butt, 2003).
Millions of people literally are squandering their one and only opportunity to prepare themselves to secure everlasting happiness, and so will be consigned instead to everlasting torment (Matthew 25:31-46).
Any doctrine that softens a person’s will to be conscientious regarding morality and behavior is a sinister doctrine that ought to be exposed and repudiated (Ephesians 5:11; 1 John 4:1).
REFERENCES
Butt, Kyle (2003), “Reincarnation and the Bible,” [On-line], URL: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2298.
Miller, Dave (2003), “One Second After Death,” [On-line], URL: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2244.
Miller, Dave (2005), “Afterlife and the Bible,” [On-line], URL: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2672.
Valea, Ernest (2006), “Reincarnation: Its Meaning and Consequences,” [On-line], URL: http://www.comparativereligion.com/reincarnation.html.
“Reincarnation” (2007), Wikipedia, [On-line], URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation.
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